i mean -- >> yes, diane. i respect the fact that she is investing in a message and cause. that's interesting, at least. >> it is. i'm sure she's making all her bread and butter on those catwalks. >> most of them do, you know what i mean? >> listen, she's got a graduate degree, she's a really smart girl. and there's a lot of really smart models out there. cindy crawford was discovered at a mcdonald's. but she was like the valid victorian. she's a beautiful woman, as well. so i just think they're upset about the fact that a lot of people view them as just a pretty face with no brains and they're only doing this for the money and it's so easy to get that money if you've won the genetic lottery. and they want the world to know there's more to them than just their looks. >> i judge her less how she got to the platform than what she's doing with it, and she's doing a lot of good with it. so i think that's cool. >> and that's wonderful. >> that's what i like those victoria's angels for, their minds. >> their brains, their minds. >> i'm always focused on their minds. >> especially